Interview with Katherine Kindbeiter Hazzard, 1984 March 21 [audio](part 2)

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  • Christmas dinner
    Keywords: Christmas; Food; Pork; Turkey
    Transcript: Lotter: We were talking about Christmas dinner.

    Hazzard: Now, I can't remember having a turkey, but I always heard them say it was too much a pound. But we always had a little pig. I remember seeing that in the roasting pan. With an apple or something in its mouth, you know. A baby pig.

    Lotter: Yes. Now did someone come around and sell these pigs at Christmastime or did you have to order it.

    Hazzard: Order them, I think. You got it in town. My father would buy it with the meat and all. But that seemed like the main thing on Christmas. I don't know why. Because I guess I was about 15 or 14 when we started having turkeys galore.

    Lotter: Now did you have other people eating with you on Christmas? Or was this mainly just your family?

    Hazzard: Family and aunts and that weren't married, you know. Everybody came.

    Lotter: And what else did you have with the pig?

    Hazzard: Just a big dinner. Turnips and -- you know, regular dinner with stuffed pig.

    Lotter: So your mother made some kind of stuffing?

    Hazzard: Yeah.

    Lotter: Do you remember anything like sweet potatoes?

    Hazzard: Oh, we'd have sweet potatoes. Yams, I guess they were because they were darker.

    Lotter: Yes. And what about for dessert? Did she make pies?

    Hazzard: Pies, usually. Usually mincemeat. She’ d have three different kinds, but mincemeat, anyhow. I loved the smell of it but when I saw it, I never ate it. You know, whatever is ground up. I used to love to smell it because it would come in a -- I don't know what, but she seemed like she got the container that they sold it out of at the store and you could smell it for months, you know, in the wood.

    Lotter: Oh, I see. So, she bought the mincemeat from the store.

    Hazzard: Yeah. I guess it didn't come canned or anything then.

    Lotter: And it was just in a small wooden container?

    Hazzard: Yeah. The remains and what was in it -- just like a bucket.

    Lotter: That probably did smell good.

    Hazzard: But, I could never eat it and I don't think I've ever tasted it.

    Lotter: What kind of pie did you like?

    Hazzard: Apple or pumpkin.

    Lotter: So, she would usually have a fruit pie and a pumpkin pie?

    Hazzard: Yeah.

    Lotter: Is there anything else that you remember about Christmas? Well, I'd like to thank you very much for talking to me today and maybe we can cover a little more of this another day. I do have a form here that I'd like you to look at and if you'd care to sign that just to allow us to use the information on the tape. I hope you'll enjoy looking through the book, too. This is for you.

    Hazzard: Hurt my shoulder. Fell and missed the bottom step and landed on it before Christmas. And sometimes this arm will lock. But if I take it and push it back like this, I can work it but I can't go this way. But I can do it that way. I get caught so many times doing that. And sometimes I'm writing and the pen won't go any farther; I can't move it because I didn't do this -- go backwards.

    Lotter: I'm going to go ahead and unplug this.

    Hazzard: You know it was just a funny way of doing this. Like if somebody wanted to shake hands with you, I feel so simple sometimes; I can't put my hand out. If I would just real quick throw it around in back of me first, I'd be all right.

    Lotter: It will probably take time.

    Hazzard: It was the 4th of November -- a long while – with therapy and -- I knocked the whole shoulder out. All the veins are starting to break -- all on the arm. When you walk over a step, you know, hold the railing until you get all the way to the bottom. I believe the rain is over; it looks like it. I get up early every morning. I usually run up to church at 6:30.I get tired.

    Lotter: Well, that's a long day when you get up that early.

    Hazzard: This is the kind of clock we had on our kitchen mantelpiece. This is not it, but it was just like this.

    Lotter: Very similar to that?

    Hazzard: Yeah, on the kitchen mantelpiece.

    Lotter: A very narrow clock. That's a lovely clock. Where did this one come from? Was this in your family?

    Hazzard: Yeah. Somebody gave it to my son and he gave it to me.

    Lotter: So this particular one was not in your family, but very similar to it.

    Hazzard: Yeah. Well, this table was. It was an old washstand. You know, your bedroom suit had a washstand, you know. And this thing was an organ stool or piano; you know, you can raise it or lower it. Put a piece of marble on the top of it.

    Lotter: So these legs would –

    Hazzard: Make the seat higher. You know those hand organs we used to have them in church.

    Lotter: Do you remember any of the people -- any of your neighbors having an organ.

    Hazzard: No, not organs.

    Lotter: Do you remember any instruments?

    Hazzard: No, just piano. We had a piano.

    Lotter: Who played the piano?

    Hazzard: Well, my sister took lessons but I'd never take them. I thought well, if I get tired taking them, they'll get mad at me so, no use to start. You know, you had to try to keep up with the rest of them.

    Lotter: Well, thank you again. I enjoyed talking with you and you certainly remembered a lot of things. I know it will be most helpful to us. Do you want to lock this?

    Hazzard: Yeah, I'll lock it. Mess on that porch.

    Lotter: Yes, I see exactly what you mean. Well, I hope it's all done before you have to open your windows.

    Hazzard: I do, too.

    Lotter: Good-bye and thank you.