Getting a radio; Square dancing; Throwing away garbage; Soap and washing; Childhood friends; Owning a Victrola; Talking about Hazzard's former neighbor, Jenney Toomey
Keywords: Fire; Friends; Garbage; Gardens; Ivory soap; Jenney Toomey; Octagon soap; Radio; Soap; Square dancing; Victory Gardens; Victrola
Transcript: Johnson: Do you remember where you first heard a radio?
Hazzard: Well, they used to start making their own. It seemed like, the first time I ever saw one – I don't know whether it was some bread company or something, was giving out a cardboard it was, like this, and all these dials were on it you know -couldn't get nothin'. And then my brother started to put one together and we could get something then, then my father went over to Sears and bought one rounded like a clock, you know. Oh, and that was great.
Johnson: Do you remember square dancing - did you ever do that?
Johnson: Oh, where would that have been?
Hazzard: Up at Hagley. Kids all loved that.
Johnson: Would they have regular - would it be once a week?
Hazzard: Well, the dance or whatever they were having, you know.
Johnson: Do you remember any fires?
Hazzard: Yeah, we had one in our chimney when I was a kid. Everybody was up in the whole block, but my sister and I, they never woke us up. The fire engines were there - oh, we were so mad in the morning, we didn't see it. You know, the smoke, I guess, from the kitchen or grease got in the chimney.
Johnson: Yes, it builds up.
Hazzard: From the cookstove.
Johnson: But the house wasn't damaged or anything?
Johnson: Do you remember where people would dump garbage, were there garbage dumps around?
Hazzard: No, I can't - they come and picked it up, I guess, because there were no...
Johnson: You wouldn't go pick bottles out and sell the bottles or anything like that?
Hazzard: Oh, lot of times, yeah, if Pierre Ferraro had a rag, like a rag man we called him, and he'd buy all the iron and pieces of iron, copper and rags and newspapers. If you'd bring them at noon on Saturday, we'd get a few pennies, you know, for doing it
Johnson: Do you remember what kind of soap your mother used?
Hazzard: Octagon - usually in the kitchen and Ivory, you'd see them Ivory all the time.
Johnson: Would she wash your hair in the Ivory soap?
Johnson: She wouldn't have special shampoo...
Hazzard: I don't think they made it then.
Johnson: Do you remember anybody who made their own soap?
Hazzard: I've heard of people doing it, but she always had Ivory soap, and it never ruined our hair, it's as thick as - have to get it thinned out all the time. In fact, I didn't use shampoo on our kids’ heads until practically they were able to buy it theirself, 'cause they'd waste it, and I guess they didn't do it. I had eight children, nine altogether. She's next to the youngest, her and another one, I always said they were the second family, you know, the two younger ones. 'Cause the one before, there was four years difference. No, six years difference between her and him, four years between him and the one that died, so that made two families.
Johnson: Yes - the older ones take care of the younger ones.
Hazzard: They got spoiled more.
Johnson: When you had a garden, or your mother had a garden, do you remember some of the things that she grew?
Hazzard: Oh, Pop used to tend to that: tomatoes and potatoes and...
Johnson: Did you grow cucumbers?
Hazzard: Oh, yeah - scallions and...
Johnson: How about squash?
Hazzard: Yeah, he had some squash. I'll tell you where they had the gardens then, we might have had a small patch at home, but I guess it was during the war -it's the golf course now, right across from the Experimental Station, up at the top of the hill. So much space was given to everybody for Victory Gardens.
Johnson: Did they grow asparagus?
Hazzard: No. The only places I ever remember asparagus growing then was over at the Rectory at St. Joseph's.
Johnson: Oh, they grew asparagus there?
Hazzard: Yeah, they had it for their own use, that's – and I never remember much about asparagus. I can't remember saying we had it.
Johnson: Did you use fertilizer on the gardens?
Hazzard: I don't know.
Johnson: And how about watering, would you water it with a hose or...
Hazzard: Well, if it was up there, wouldn't be any watering to do.
Johnson: You had to carry the water.
Hazzard: Yeah, depended on the rain, I think.
Johnson: Yes. And who was your best friend when you were little, do you remember?
Hazzard: Well, the Hackendorns across the creek and Ella Fitzharris, of course, she was a cousin, and the Bonners, you know. We run around with all them, was a gang of us. Grace Toy, she lived on Breck’ s Lane, and Irene Plummer lived on Rising Sun Lane. We had plenty to run around with. 'Course you weren't afraid then, you could walk all over the creek or...
Johnson: Did you ever go in town together on the trolley and would you go to the movies together?
Hazzard: Yeah, most of the time it would be in an afternoon or something to the movies.
Johnson: Did you ever have a stereopticon in your home before they had movies and things?
Hazzard: No, just a Victrola and radio.
Johnson: Was the Victrola the kind that you wind?
Hazzard: Oh, yeah, was about that high.
Johnson: Do you remember any of the records that you had for it?
Hazzard: I don't know, I remember the Christmas they got it, it was for my oldest brother, oldest two brothers, I guess. It was a Columbia, when you opened the door at the bottom, you could press a button and the record would pop out to you.
Johnson: Did you have records of jokes rather than music, do you remember anything like that?
Hazzard: Oh, a lot those were songs and things.
Johnson: Did you have opera stars or singers that you would remember?
Hazzard: Then we - of course I bought I don't know how many for these kids. And I went one Christmas, went up to the store there at Union Street and I bought -was it "Twenty-nine Tons"...
Johnson: I remember that.
Hazzard: And all those: "Mother, how did you know how to buy these?" They couldn't get over it, the ones I bought. They picked them out up there (laughs).
Johnson: How about Christmas carols, would you play those?
Hazzard: Oh, we always had Bing Crosby or one of them.
Johnson: I think that pretty well covers it. Can you think of anything else?
Hazzard: No. Have you ever interviewed Ella Fitzharris?
Johnson: Yes, they interviewed her many years ago.
Hazzard: She lives down here now, Delaware Avenue and Clayton, that big three-story apartment.
Hazzard: Yes, she lived up the Brandywine before, and she had to move. Her next-door neighbor is still there, Jenney Toomey. She's been there for years and years.
Johnson: I interviewed her and she is...
Hazzard: She is wonderful.
Johnson: She is so nice.
Hazzard: I mean, for her age, you ought to see her shopping, neat as a new pin: she goes so fast around the corner: she puts me to shame. I can remember going to see her, cutting through the woods, and we always called it Miss Mary's, it was that big white house that's up there, then down, and a path right across from her house from Breck’ s Lane, when her first child was born. Her niece went to school with us. Come on, we'll see the baby. God, she took about fifteen of us in to see the new baby. I can remember that so well, if it was one of ours did that, I'd kill 'em. All of us coming from school, in to - up to the bedroom and saw the new baby (laughs). But she is remarkable, I think she is 89.