Interview with Mary Braden Jackson, 1986 September 14 [audio](part 2)

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  • Additional household items including trivet, cookware, dish ware, match keeper, tub butter, spice box, coffee grinder, boot jack; local children having a "barbecue" with DuPont corn
    Keywords: barbecue; Barbecuing; boot jack; butcher knife; cabbage chopper; carving fork; Children--Social life and customs; coffee grinder; Delft; Delftware; egg shells; Farmers almanac; match keeper; spice box; Tableware; trivet; tub butter; whisk
    Transcript: Jackson: ...give you a list of them and how they were made and how old fashioned they were - the shovel and...

    Bennett: Yes, I would like to talk about that, let me see, when we get around to something else in the garden, maybe we will - you can go on with that one.

    Jackson: Sure, that's all right - you go on, I know you did ask me to look these things over.

    Bennett: Yes, I know, and you must have had a lot of fun with them, I think, there, didn't you?

    Jackson: Oh, yes, we were laughing about them.

    Bennett: Cherry pitter - did you have a cherry pitter in your house?

    Jackson: No, us children had to seed the cherries when Mother made cherry pie, or put the cherries - the children seeded them.

    Bennett: Did you have a trivet?

    Jackson: Trivet?

    Bennett: This would be that you put a hot pot on, you know, the metal?

    Jackson: Oh, yes, and we had one of them for the irons. You had one on your ironing board and when you hot iron come over, you put it on that, that's right.

    Bennett: How about a cabbage slicer?

    Jackson: Just the butcher knife.

    Bennett: Just a great - you didn't have one like..

    Jackson: Just a butcher - oh, I'll tell you we had for cabbage, it was an odd thing, it had two sides to it and it had a handle up here, and when Mother wanted to make coleslaw and chop the cabbage smaller for coleslaw, she used to put it on the cutting board, and put the cabbage down and this (chopping sound) kept cutting it.

    Bennett: More like pepper hash, I guess she'd get, huh?

    Jackson: Yes, she'd make it small, but it looked like a tin slide here and a tin slide on this side, and they were hooked together and then there was a handle on the top that you chopped - it was a chopper, we called it a chopper.

    Bennett: A Green's almanac?

    Jackson: We had a Farmers' almanac.

    Bennett: Not a Green's Almanac?

    Jackson: Not that I remember.

    Bennett: Okay. You had a highchair, I'm sure?

    Jackson: Oh, yes, I had a little, black, walnut - I was the last one - I had a little, black, walnut highchair and the top of it come up not quite up to the middle of my back and the front had no thing across it, I had things for my feet to sit on, but I sat up in there, and I was just as high as the table with the chair. And one day I was - rain barrel - I had a doll's dress when I was four years old or something like that, five, and I went out to wash the doll's dress in this water that was out there, the rain barrel, and I was in the highchair and I was leaning over washing the dress in the rain barrel - Mother didn't know I was there - and the chair slipped on me and I went over into the barrel of water - rain barrel of water - and I was head down and I was there and Mr. Constano was sitting on his porch or on the railing there, and he saw me - Mr. Constano jumped over the porch and pulled me up and he held me upside down and the water - I didn't drown. And Mr. Constano saved my life.

    Bennett: You were lucky.

    Jackson: But Mrs. Beacom saved their daughter, Rosa's life, Rose was sewing a doll's dress one time, sitting out on the porch or the railing there, platform like, and she was sewing, she had a thimble and Rose put it in her mouth and she swallowed the thimble. And it got caught in her throat and Mrs. Constano was about fainting or passing out, and Mrs. Beacom run up and she took Rose and turned her upside down and shook her real hard and the thimble dropped out and Mrs. Constano says, "God will reward you, you saved my child's life." She was blue, there was two incidents that I remember. And I was almost drowned in the rain barrel, can you imagine?

    Bennett: You were lucky.

    Jackson: The highchair, see, had no runner, only this little step, and I had my feet against the barrel and pushed see, and I pushed every way and I went over into the barrel.

    Bennett: Bet you didn't do that again.

    Jackson: I don't think so. [laughter]

    Bennett: Did you have an egg beater?

    Jackson: No, no we had a thin piece of wire, it was like a spoon or a fork, long handle, and it was like a web, a wire web.

    Bennett: Like a whisk, like they're using today?

    Jackson: Yes, Mother used to - seems to me it was like a real fine wire, it was a form of a spoon almost, it was real fine wire and it had a long handle to it, and Mother used to...

    Bennett: How about a carving fork?

    Jackson: Yes, we had a carving fork. I don't know whether you'd call it a carving fork. It was an old fashioned - it had an oak handle, the top of it was iron or something down underneath and had an oak handle and it was tall and the prongs - oh, the prongs were as long as they are today and a little longer. It was like a pitch fork almost. You could reach the roast of beef over the stove and pull it over with that fork, to the table - strong.

    Bennett: I see, great big. Did you have a match keeper?

    Jackson: Yes, we had a match keeper. We bought a box of the regular matches, not safety and you put them upside down, right under the mantelpiece, right near the stove, too, and the matches were there, and we thought that was great. Go over there and get a match. The only time we took them out, we used to go up to the hill and put two big rocks together, put newspaper in it, and we'd go steal some corn from the DuPont's corn fields and we'd get tomatoes from the gardens and we would have - they call them barbecues today, but we just called it something to eat - and we'd put the corn in between these two rocks and the fire - we'd put a piece of wood in there, out of the woods. And we'd have the tomatoes and the corn, cooked it in the husk, and when it was cooked, we'd take the husks all off and us kiddies would - there'd be Hamilton, Beacom, Joe Constano, Fred Jackson, Bess Beacom, Louise Carey, Elsie Hardwick and Florence MacAdoo and the Walker girls and we'd have a barbecue, but we didn't know it was barbecue.

    Bennett: Sounds good, doesn't it? Did you have a wooden churn?

    Jackson: To churn butter?

    Bennett: Yeah, m-huh.

    Jackson: No, because Mother could go on King Street once in a while and you could buy - they called it tub butter, but it was really better than the Louella butter that you buy today. She could buy tub butter, and she got three pounds for a quarter, and they may give her extra, and Mother had enough butter, almost, to last - she cooked in butter, she fried things in butter, that much. Three pounds for a quarter. It was loose.

    Bennett: Yes, I know what that - that's good butter.

    Jackson: What was good butter.

    Bennett: Did you have a spice box?

    Jackson: Yes, we had a small spice box up there - I don't know whether it was all cloves or what it was, but there was cloves in it for one thing, I think, and she had spices up there. And nutmeg, she used a lot of nutmeg and cloves. What else - there was some other kind...

    Bennett: Cinnamon, maybe?

    Jackson: Yes, cinnamon, we had a lot of cinnamon.

    Bennett: Where did she keep the spice box?

    Jackson: Up on the second shelf in the closet next to the stove.

    Bennett: They're nice, I like those.

    Jackson: Yes. We had a coffee grinder, too. We had a coffee grinder, it was a square box like this...

    Bennett: You're ahead of me by two [laughs]

    Jackson: I just thought of that as it come to me - that's all right, wait until you come to it.

    Bennett: Did you have a washboard?

    Jackson: Oh, we had a couple washboards.

    Bennett: Sure - and a dry sink?

    Jackson: We had no sink at all.

    Bennett: The dry sink is the type that, you know, well, no water. You didn't have one of those, you used the pans - did you have a coffee grinder?

    Jackson: Yes.

    Bennett: [laughs] Okay, you did have a coffee grinder?

    Jackson: And it was a square box, but wider than this, not quite as long, but wider than that and on the top, there was like a cup, like this, and you put your coffee in it, you know. Then there was a little handle on the side and you'd take this handle and grind and grind - there was a little drawer in under here and you'd grind that until it was all done, then you'd pull this drawer out and there you had the coffee ready, and Mother would have the coffee ready and would put the fresh coffee - oh that coffee was good them days.

    Bennett: Good. Did it make - were you grinding just enough for one pot of coffee in that...

    Jackson: My Mother always filled this container.

    Bennett: Okay, and then she used it from the container?

    Jackson: I don't know how much she did, but she used it when - well, this little drawer was about like this and about this high, and it would be full of coffee. But the coffee pot was this.

    Bennett: Yes, the big...

    Jackson: Then she put egg shells in it, she always emptied egg shells in it to settle it, after the coffee was made, why, I don't know.

    Bennett: A lot of people do that, well at least they used to. Did you have a boot jack?

    Jackson: Yes, indeed, and Ethel still has it, and I don't want her to part with it. Father had a boot jack, and as soon as he'd come home, if he had boots on or if he had the heavy shoes on, he would say to one of us, "Get your Father's boot jack." And out the boot jack would come and Father would stand up and pull one boot off and then he'd pull the other boot off. And when Father wasn't using it as a boot jack, we would put a dress on that boot jack and carry it around for a doll, when we didn't have a doll. The boot jack was our doll many a time.

    Bennett: Where did you keep it?

    Jackson: Under the settee. The settee, it was under there.

    Bennett: Did you have a hutch?

    Jackson: No - you mean like in the dining room?

    Bennett: Yeah, like a...

    Jackson: No, we only had the closet on the wall, kept the dishes. Then we had a dresser, the dresser, we used to keep the glasses on the top shelf, and oh, we thought it was grand to show them glasses, just buy them glasses. And then all our - Mother bought it in the ten cents store - all white, they called it Delft, it wasn't china, it was Delft, heavy.

    Bennett: Blue and white.

    Jackson: Yeah, and if you dropped them, you didn't break them. But cups, you could hardly get your lip over they were so thick, but they were strong.
  • Further details including her father's derby hat, lunch basket, home medicine supplies, clock, sewing machine, bean pot, pewter spoons, trunks, the woodpile, breadboard, and cookstove fire tools
    Keywords: baking powder biscuits; bean pot; breadboard; casseroles; checkerboard; cookstove fire tools; cornmeal bread; derby hat; Hitchcock chairs; home medicine; ice tongs; lunch basket; pewter spoons; polish; quilts; Singer sewing machine; tall clock; trunks; woodpile
    Transcript: Bennett: Did your dad have a bowler hat by any chance?

    Jackson: He had a derby hat, real high one, that's all he had. Why what would a bowler be like?

    Bennett: It's pretty near the same thing - it's more rounded, isn't it - the bowler?

    [Unidentified man]: I always thought the bowler hat was like a ball.

    Bennett: A picture like those Keystone Cops - didn't they have like a bowler?

    Jackson: My Father's hat, the derby, was a round ball, big, round black ball.

    [Unidentified man]: Wasn't the stovepipe type.

    Jackson: No, no.

    Bennett: Oh, okay, I was picturing, when she said that, the stove type at first. Then he probably...

    Jackson: The derby's changed styles - one year my Father had quite a large derby. Then another in years later he had a small derby.

    Bennett: Yeah, that's probably what it was. Did he have a lunch bucket?

    Jackson: No, we were the lunch buckets.

    Bennett: You could...

    Jackson: I carried...

    Bennett: What did you carry it in, his lunch, when you took it?

    Jackson: A wicker basket or a straw basket.

    Bennett: Okay.

    Jackson: And when there was enough dishes in there, I think she had the dish in there, the plate was in there, the cup and saucer was in there, knife and fork was in there, then a bowl of cabbage in one end of it, and there was another bowl with ham cut down, and the potatoes together.

    Bennett: Whatever.

    Jackson: Whatever, was no luxury - was no desserts.

    Bennett: How about ice tongs, did you have some ice tongs?

    Jackson: Oh, yes, we had ice tongs.

    Bennett: You had straight chairs, I'm sure.

    Jackson: We had chairs like a Hitchcock chairs are today, but they only cost fifty cents apiece.

    Bennett: Yes.

    Jackson: But they were just style, that style.

    Bennett: Did you have a medicine chest?

    Jackson: Only in the closet where we kept the dishes and Mother had castor oil.

    Bennett: Where the castor oil was.

    Jackson: She had castor oil, she had Epsom salts, she had mustard, she had flax seed and hops to heat the hot water bag, not to burn, hot water bag part. Then she had laudanum, and that you put in your ears, I think if you had toothache, and then she had something for the teeth. Well it was whiskey for the teeth. But it didn't stay in the closet long, if my Father knew it was there.

    Bennett: [laughs] Did you have a shelf clock?

    Jackson: Shelf clock?

    Bennett: Yes.

    Jackson: We had a small mantelpiece, it was about this big, the mantelpiece, and we had that tall clock. My Father had to wind it every night and it struck on the quarter, I think on the half, and even up on the third floor you knew what time it was because you could hear the clock striking four. And Mother never had an alarm clock, but she always heard the clock when it struck four, and when the clock struck four, Mother knew it was time to get up. But it was on a little mantelpiece.

    Bennett: Did she have a lap sewing board?

    Jackson: No, we had a sewing machine, an old fashioned sewing machine - a Singer sewing machine when they first come out. My first mother had that, and my first mother was a good sewer. My second mother wasn't so much for sewing on the machine, but she was a beautiful hand sewer and she made all our clothes, little tiny stitches.

    Bennett: That's what you said.

    Jackson: Because she worked in Ireland in the shirt factory or something and then in Ireland - the men were wealthy that would wear these kind of shirts, they were tucked from one end to the other, little, tiny, fine tucks. And my step-mother put those tucks in the shirts. She made one of them for my Father. But she seldom ever used - she was afraid of the sewing machine, but us kids used to get up and pretend it was a piano and run that thing to beat the devil. In later years, though, we traded it in on a good sewing machine.

    Bennett: Did you have a bean pot?

    Jackson: Yes, big iron bean pot. In fact it was like a bread pan. It was a big, iron pan almost flat, like you'd put bread in today, black, and it was iron, and Mother baked the beans in that. It was a little higher up than the regular bread pan. Of course she had to bake a lot of beans. And then that's when casseroles come in style. We didn't know they were casseroles, but Mother had a cutting board she'd put on the table, and when the baked beans was cooked, Mother brought the pan of baked beans to the table, and I think there's where the casseroles were born eighty-five years ago.

    Bennett: The question here is casserole, bean pot in parenthesis.

    Jackson: Yes, well that come to the table. And Mrs. Beacom was the same way. And when Mrs. Beacom baked [ her house...?] why when she made a big pan of baking powder biscuits, she didn't take them out and break them up in a plate, she brought the pan over while they were hot and she said - Bess used to say, "Mom, they put them on plates now." She says, "Yes, but they're not keeping warm like they do in that pan, and that pan's going to be on the table to keep them hot." The baking powder biscuits were hot. And Mother did the same thing with cornmeal bread, she'd make it all in a big bread pan, and you should never cut cornmeal, so they say, and she would just pick that up while it was warm and she'd break it all apart in small pieces and leave it in the pan on the - that was their casseroles.

    Bennett: Did you have pewter spoons?

    Jackson: We had, yes, we had some pewter spoons, they were heavy, they weren't the tin, we had some tin spoons, but then we had some that were heavier, they weren't silver, they could have been pewter, but they were heavy. And the large spoons, the vegetable spoons, but they had a bowl like this, real large bowl, the old fashioned, and they were heavy. And I believe they could have been pewter, but at that time I didn't know pewter. And some of the lids, tin lids that went on some of the smaller pots, the lids weren't tin, they were heavy like, they might be pewter.

    Bennett: Did you have a foot locker?

    Jackson: No, what for, what do you put in that?

    Bennett: Well, like a trunk. Lots of times they kept - another place for storage.

    Jackson: Well, Mother had enough, we had plenty of trunks with a hundred or whatever come from Ireland and left a trunk at our house.

    Bennett: Left the trunks.

    Jackson: Yeah, and then Mother used those trunks to put away heavy blankets and then she always had a trunk that she kept sheets and pillow cases and bolster cases made in case, we always kept them in case anybody ever got sick and was going to die, why, I don't know, but there was always that extra, well, if anybody take sick, she had extra. Just kept them pressed, never run out. And then she always made quilts a lot and if she didn't finish a quilt, she had a trunk that she put the leftover quilts in. Oh we had plenty of trunks, and big ones, too.

    Bennett: Did you have a wood box?

    Jackson: We had a shed, a little small shed, back of the other one. And my Father cut the wood and made it ready for the stove. Then he'd pile it in this here, and us kids used to go down to the big market basket and fill it full of wood and bring it up and pile it on the bench back of the stove.

    Bennett: Did you have a checkerboard?

    Jackson: Yes, we did, we played checkers.

    Bennett: Did you have the braided rug? You know those rag rugs that they...

    Jackson: No.

    Bennett: Did you have a dough table?

    Jackson: To make dough? No, Mother made it on the kitchen table. She had an oilcloth on the kitchen table and then she had a breadboard, I don't know where that ever got to, and it was quite a large one - took up half of the table, and when she turned her batch of bread out, it was on this great big - oh, I'd say the board was like this, and about like this - took up half of the kitchen table, we had an oak table.

    Bennett: An iron poker for the...

    Jackson: Oh, yes, we had a poker.

    Bennett: And a frying pan, I'm sure.

    Jackson: And a shaker and a fire shovel. And then we had some kind of a little thing that when you take the back lids off, if there was too much soot back there, we could rake all that soot out and then we used to keep that soot and sometimes we would polish the knives and forks, they weren't silver, they had wooden handles to them and prongs.

    Bennett: You would use the soot to polish?

    Jackson: Yes, we used to polish with the soot, polished them good, too.

    Bennett: I was just going to ask you if it did a good job.

    Jackson: Yes it did. And sometimes if we didn't have that, we would take the soft ash off the ashes and use it. I never knew of any Dutch Cleanser, never saw any.

    [Unidentified woman]: Auntie, why don't you complain, you're short now, your face is beginning to flush. [Some miscellaneous comments]
  • Detailed description of her family's vegetable garden and tools used for it; final thoughts
    Keywords: beets; cabbage.; carrots; cucumbers; Du Pont, S. Hallock (Samuel Hallock), 1901-1974; huckleberry tree; Irish cobbler potatoes; kale; nettles; parsnip fritters; rhubarb; shovel; sickle; string beans; Vegetable gardening--Equipment and supplies; weeding
    Transcript: Bennett: I'll bet you'd like to really talk about the garden, why don't we talk about the garden, you and your Dad and the garden, let's do that. You talked about...

    Jackson: You wanted to know about the shovels and things like that, and I remember them like yesterday.

    Bennett: Okay, why don't you tell me about your garden that your Dad had and how you helped him and what you...

    Jackson: Well, I would say it was an acre of ground, it was certainly a good sized piece of ground because he raised all the tomatoes, potatoes, for the whole year, and cabbage and carrots, string beans, and cucumbers, so I think there was plenty there. Well, he used to get Billy Brown, he was the farmer up at Greenville to come in every spring and I don't know whether he mowed it or what he did to it, but he turned the ground all over and then it was ready for Father to plant. So I don't know, I guess it was early April he'd start, maybe before that because we always had potatoes for the Fourth of July, and then we'd work there and the first thing Father would plant was the tomatoes and I helped him and after he put the plants in, maybe he put three dozen, maybe five dozen, I don't know, but I'd help him. And he'd dig the hole up, you know, and I had to go get a bucket of water and it was a good distance to go, but I carried the bucket of water to him. And he'd ready this ground he was digging up to put the tomato plants in. Then after he got all the tomato plants in, I used to go down, and sometimes he'd come down with another bucket, and we'd carry buckets of water up from the spring, and it was about a square, square and a half, and carried up, and it was all uphill, though, the garden was uphill, and then he would get so much water in each row of tomato plants, but he always had good luck, Mamma never failed him. And then after that he started potatoes, and then we used to carry the shovel and the pick and the hoe, we had a hoe, and we always had a sickle because there was an awful lot of nettles and they would sting you, like a rock sting or something, but anyway, he would cut a lot of these nettles down with the sickle. Many a time I cut them down too, it's a wonder I didn't cut my two legs off, but I didn't. It was a round sickle, and then the shovel, it wasn't tin, it was a very heavy shovel and where you put your foot on it, it was like a little ridge across there, looked like iron to me, or heavy brass, I'm not sure - I don't think it was brass - it could have been iron. And it had a long, tall handle to it, because my Father's a pretty tall man, and when my Father put his foot down, that handle was up over his shoulder like, and he would lift the dirt up and down and I had a little apron on and I carried the potato seed. And he always told me to put two in because if one died we'd have the other, and I'd always put two in. That line would be from the end of this room to the end of this, that length.

    Bennett: That's going to be how many feet?

    Jackson: Close to this, close - it might have been a little less...

    [Unidentified man]: From one of the office windows, it's six, twelve, eighteen, twenty-four, thirty - you're talking about forty feet I'd say.

    Bennett: About forty feet?

    [Unidentified woman]: That's what I was gonna say, thirty-five or forty.

    Jackson: It might have been a little less, but it was, to me as a child, it looked - long, pretty near this. And then he would measure, I think put them two feet apart, and then he had a line or twine or cord, I don't know what you call it - brown it was - and he would put one stick on one end, you know, and he'd take the cord all the way down here and then he had another stick that he tied it on here, and then he went - that was, kept the row straight - and then he went his shovel accordingly to - kept at that line, and went up one side and would go down the next side. And, oh, there was a huckleberry tree in that yard and it was down in the middle, so he always planted the potatoes down to the huckleberry tree.

    Bennett: How many rows did he plant, would you say?

    Jackson: I would say twenty.

    Bennett: Quite a bit of your garden was in potatoes.

    Jackson: In potatoes, most of it.

    Bennett: Do you remember the name of the potatoes, the variety?

    Jackson: Irish cobbler.

    Bennett: Irish cobbler?

    Jackson: Irish cobblers.

    Bennett: Do you remember the Early Rose?

    Jackson: Yes, sometimes he made a couple rows of different things, too. Then the Idaho, the Maine potato come up, Maine potato. Then he used to use some of the Maine potatoes.

    Bennett: That was later on I believe?

    Jackson: Later on we used the Maine potato, but I think it was the Irish Cobbler, because in Ireland, that's what we planted, the Irish potato.

    Bennett: What did you use for fertilizer?

    Jackson: Mostly the hen house, mostly. Sometime he would get some horse manure from Bob Blakeley from the stable.

    Bennett: That was...

    Jackson: We had very good ground, we had good results.

    Bennett: And you had, like the early crops, did he start like tomatoes - did he plant seeds or did he start the plants on the inside?

    Jackson: No, little plants.

    Bennett: Did you start them in the house ahead of time?

    Jackson: No, no, Mother used to bring them from King Street, or Billy Brown used to have plants, a farmer up at Greenville, and my Father used to go up there some nights and buy...

    Bennett: So he bought the transplanted ones, so to speak? Did you have a cold frame at all, did you ever have a cold frame?

    Jackson: No, no.

    Bennett: Okay. Did you have a fence around your garden?

    Jackson: No, there were all open just like a field.

    Bennett: The animals didn't disturb it too much?

    Jackson: No, and Mr. Hardwick had an awful lot of chickens, but Mr. Hardwick had that wire all around the side of it, above the board, and he had it over the top. The chickens never got out, they were kept in.

    Bennett: He kept his chickens...

    Jackson: And he was the only one close that had chickens, anyone close.

    Bennett: Would you buy chickens, did he raise them to sell, would you buy them off...

    Jackson: No, not that I know of.

    Bennett: Okay, when you said that I was just curious as to maybe...

    Jackson: No, he had nine children, and I think they used all their own eggs and their own chickens.

    Bennett: Did you do, let's say, cucumbers?

    Jackson: Yes, Father had cucumbers.

    Bennett: Squash?

    Jackson: No, we didn't have squash, we didn't like it. We had cucumbers and we had carrots and we had beets and string beans and cabbage.

    Bennett: Pumpkin?

    Jackson: No, we never grew pumpkin.

    Bennett: Kale?

    Jackson: No, we never grew kale.

    Bennett: Parsnips?

    Jackson: Kale, you could go in town and buy a whole peach basket full of kale for about fifteen cents.

    Bennett: Parsnips, did you grow those?

    Jackson: We didn't grow them, but our family was very fond of them. Mother used to get parsnips, sometimes somebody would be going around and she would peel them, scrape them and slice them and she dipped them in a batter and fried them.

    Bennett: M-m-m, sounds different to me.

    Jackson: It's like fritters.

    [Unidentified woman]: Do you have any more important questions, because it's coming up on four o'clock?

    Bennett: No, we're really done, this is - she wanted to talk about her garden and we're done.

    Jackson: Well, now we can take a minute or two and just talk to each other.

    Bennett: Oh, okay, if you'd like to, very good. I would like to know if you had rhubarb in the - you know that grows every year, did you grow rhubarb?

    Jackson: No, we didn't have rhubarb, but Mr. Hardwick raised rhubarb and we'd get all we wanted from him for ten cents.

    Bennett: You didn't have to, and how about asparagus, which always comes back?

    Jackson: No, we never knew anything about asparagus.

    Bennett: Okay, now why don't we just...

    Jackson: Finish up, and whatever we want to say to each other.

    Bennett: It's been delightful, I really thoroughly enjoyed...

    Jackson: Well, I have too. Some of the nurses asked me did I think that it was making me nervous or something and I said, "No indeed, I'm enjoying every minute of it, this I'm giving to my family."

    Bennett: Yes, this is very true.

    Jackson: I said, "When I'm dead and gone..."

    [Unidentified man]: We've all enjoyed it, I have.

    Jackson: I'm the last one to go and I loved my family, we were such a close-knit family that I feel as though my Father's memory will never...

    Bennett: Oh, the whole thing - and your voice, I mean not only the tapes, but then the typewritten will stay, yes, that's going to be there forever and a day, in fact, we all are when you think about it [laughs].

    Jackson: A lot of people have often said to me, "Do you get any money out of this?" I said, "No, money is not involved. I give this voluntarily and I'm giving it in memory of my family that I love very much." And I said, "Their memory will never die after I'm gone."

    [Unidentified man]: They don't have no houses at all left up there do they, from Squirrel Run or anything, they were all...

    Jackson: Yes, Hardwick's house is still there, but Hallock du Pont uses it as a clubhouse, a hunting club.

    [Unidentified woman]: Is that what they call the Soda House?

    Bennett: No, no.

    [Unidentified man]: No, that's over further.

    Bennett: I'm going to thank you, I think the way you just finished that, is a very nice way to end it. You saying that you're dedicating this to your Father.

    Jackson: My family.

    Bennett: It has been a pleasure being with you.

    Jackson: It certainly has been a pleasure being with you, I feel like you're almost like one of our relatives.

    Bennett: Oh, thank you, I've got that family history.

    [Unidentified man]: She knows all the family secrets now. [laughs]

    Bennett: Thank you.

    Jackson: I like people, and I like people to like me.

    Bennett: Well, it's not hard, that's for sure, it's real easy to like you.

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